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[MuaySingh]

I think nelson hamilton was the only judge that was wrong. Shogun won the fourth. I don't know how people can be so sure the Shogun was robbed. I felt that Machida won rounds 1-3 and shogun won the final two. He simply wasn't trying to finish the fight he was point fighting. I couldn't hear the commentary when I watched it live but I watched it again last night and Joe and Goldie seemed to really favor Shogun. Machida was starting to tee off on Shogun and wasn't taking any shots and then he hit Machida once and Joe screamed, "SHOGUN LANDED A RIGHT HAND!!!" He was acting like the one punch counted for more than all of Machida's punches. It doesn't negate the fact that Machida hit him 5 or 6 times right before that. They were the same way when Rampage lost to Forrest thinking that Forrest was rocked everytime he got hit even though he was fine.

Those flurries you are talking about, Machida's shots weren't really landing, Shogun was connecting.

Striking- Shogun threw more, landed more, landed a higher percentage, and landed more power shots total and to the head (check fightmetric)...and shogun inflicted more damage

grappling- very little grappling but shogun controlled the clinch

aggression- shogun threw more strikes and was constantly backing machida up

octagon control- shogun constantly backing up machida, pressing him against the cage during the clinch

Shogun basically won all elements of the fight. The only thing Machida did better at was landing a few more knees to the body.

Worst decision in MMA championship history

lol dude, Machida landed 7 out of the 9 strikes he threw in that flurry.

[bestbetworstex]

I think nelson hamilton was the only judge that was wrong. Shogun won the fourth. I don't know how people can be so sure the Shogun was robbed. I felt that Machida won rounds 1-3 and shogun won the final two. He simply wasn't trying to finish the fight he was point fighting. I couldn't hear the commentary when I watched it live but I watched it again last night and Joe and Goldie seemed to really favor Shogun. Machida was starting to tee off on Shogun and wasn't taking any shots and then he hit Machida once and Joe screamed, "SHOGUN LANDED A RIGHT HAND!!!" He was acting like the one punch counted for more than all of Machida's punches. It doesn't negate the fact that Machida hit him 5 or 6 times right before that. They were the same way when Rampage lost to Forrest thinking that Forrest was rocked everytime he got hit even though he was fine.

Those flurries you are talking about, Machida's shots weren't really landing, Shogun was connecting.

Striking- Shogun threw more, landed more, landed a higher percentage, and landed more power shots total and to the head (check fightmetric)...and shogun inflicted more damage

grappling- very little grappling but shogun controlled the clinch

aggression- shogun threw more strikes and was constantly backing machida up

octagon control- shogun constantly backing up machida, pressing him against the cage during the clinch

Shogun basically won all elements of the fight. The only thing Machida did better at was landing a few more knees to the body.

Worst decision in MMA championship history

fightmetric is BS and you know it. It also says that Machida was 6-16 with jabs. Machida doesn't throw jabs, he throws hard, straight punches. Plus, no points for takedown defense. People think that it was only a striking fight and forget that Shogun tried and failed to take him down. Does that not matter? It's best to break it down by round. because points are score by takedowns and takedowns defense, octagon control, striking, and grappling. In a straight kickboxing match Shogun would have won. Those were devistating knees to the body also. Look at Shogun post-fight when his team is celebrating if you don't believe me.

[Diffily]

the first judge gave round four to machida

[The Grand Wazoo]

Those judges must have been drunker than I was because I was smashed and I could still tell that Shogun won.

[busterunit90]

that first judge must have A.D.D how could you give round 4 to machida, some of you are saying shogun didn't go for the kill, its frigin machida you slip up he will take advantage. Plus when machida slipped and fell shogun immediately rushed him to go for the kill

[Pinkhandy]

yea shogun had that ijust watched it its sad cause ..evrey one knows he out pointed machida and did way more damage even to the face of machida which surprised me seein him all cut up like that . useless piece of paper.

[Beast Master]

fightmetric is BS and you know it. It also says that Machida was 6-16 with jabs. Machida doesn't throw jabs, he throws hard, straight punches. Plus, no points for takedown defense. People think that it was only a striking fight and forget that Shogun tried and failed to take him down. Does that not matter? It's best to break it down by round. because points are score by takedowns and takedowns defense, octagon control, striking, and grappling. In a straight kickboxing match Shogun would have won. Those were devistating knees to the body also. Look at Shogun post-fight when his team is celebrating if you don't believe me.

lol points for takedown defense? should you also get points for blocking punches? where do you come up with this?

[Pinkhandy]

also it so looks like fertitta immediately shake machidas hand and ''says u won u got it'' which is fine but so unsettling .

[BgTony]

Machida should of at least tried to give Shogun the belt... Kind of Like Rampage after his fight with Murilo Rua..(Ninja) All Machida had to say after rogan asked if he though he won, ( 3 judges ) and that's all I could make out..

BS Shogun is the real Champ

If forrest got the nod in the rampage fight then Rua should be the new LHW champ.

Rampage also visibly could barely support his weight on his legs where as machida was walking just fine.

[Lsquared]

fightmetric is BS and you know it. It also says that Machida was 6-16 with jabs. Machida doesn't throw jabs, he throws hard, straight punches. Plus, no points for takedown defense. People think that it was only a striking fight and forget that Shogun tried and failed to take him down. Does that not matter? It's best to break it down by round. because points are score by takedowns and takedowns defense, octagon control, striking, and grappling. In a straight kickboxing match Shogun would have won. Those were devistating knees to the body also. Look at Shogun post-fight when his team is celebrating if you don't believe me.

lol points for takedown defense? should you also get points for blocking punches? where do you come up with this?

hello.

you get points for a takedown, ie you get points for stuffing a takedown, this doesnt make sense to you?

are you telling me gleison tibau, didnt get a million points for his million tds on neer? its the same in reverse...

and because machida punches are unable to be seen by the naked drunk eye, doesnt mean they didnt happen...

[Beast Master]

fightmetric is BS and you know it. It also says that Machida was 6-16 with jabs. Machida doesn't throw jabs, he throws hard, straight punches. Plus, no points for takedown defense. People think that it was only a striking fight and forget that Shogun tried and failed to take him down. Does that not matter? It's best to break it down by round. because points are score by takedowns and takedowns defense, octagon control, striking, and grappling. In a straight kickboxing match Shogun would have won. Those were devistating knees to the body also. Look at Shogun post-fight when his team is celebrating if you don't believe me.

lol points for takedown defense? should you also get points for blocking punches? where do you come up with this?

hello.

you get points for a takedown, ie you get points for stuffing a takedown, this doesnt make sense to you?

are you telling me gleison tibau, didnt get a million points for his million tds on neer? its the same in reverse...

and because machida punches are unable to be seen by the naked drunk eye, doesnt mean they didnt happen...

ok so lets do a little thought experiment.

Imagine a round where the only action that took place was Fighter A trying to take down Fighter B 5 times, and none were successful.

Who wins the round?

If you say Fighter A you are probably making the argument that even though he didn’t get the takedown, he was the aggressor, and Fighter B launched 0 offensive.

Now if you say Fighter B won the round you are probably your justification is probably that he won bc the other guy wanted it to go to the ground and he imposed his will by not letting it go to the ground.

Ok now imagine a round where the only action was 5 high kicks thrown by fighter A and they were blocked each time. Who wins that round? If you chose fighter B in the first scenario you have to choose fighter B in this scenario, which means a guy can win a round by simply blocking and not doing anything on the offensive. If you chose fighter A then you give a tie to the aggressor so to speak.

So then if you think that defending a takedown “scores points” (even though no individual move ever really scores a point in a 10 point round system) you have to agree that a guy can win a round by doing nothing other than blocking punches and defending takedowns, or moving out of the way for that matter.

I prefer to give a tie to the aggressor. After all aggressiveness is a scoring criteria, and the aggressor usually dictates ring control, and it is more risky to be the aggressor.

[Fuchan]

fightmetric is BS and you know it. It also says that Machida was 6-16 with jabs. Machida doesn't throw jabs, he throws hard, straight punches. Plus, no points for takedown defense. People think that it was only a striking fight and forget that Shogun tried and failed to take him down. Does that not matter? It's best to break it down by round. because points are score by takedowns and takedowns defense, octagon control, striking, and grappling. In a straight kickboxing match Shogun would have won. Those were devistating knees to the body also. Look at Shogun post-fight when his team is celebrating if you don't believe me.

lol points for takedown defense? should you also get points for blocking punches? where do you come up with this?

hello.
hello.

you get points for a takedown, ie you get points for stuffing a takedown, this doesnt make sense to you?
New to me.
are you telling me gleison tibau, didnt get a million points for his million tds on neer? its the same in reverse... huh?

and because machida punches are unable to be seen by the naked drunk eye, doesnt mean they didnt happen... Shogun landed almost twice as many strikes. Plus, full octogon control for pretty much the full fight. Are they just scoring punches now?

[KingOfPancrase]

I think nelson hamilton was the only judge that was wrong. Shogun won the fourth. I don't know how people can be so sure the Shogun was robbed. I felt that Machida won rounds 1-3 and shogun won the final two. He simply wasn't trying to finish the fight he was point fighting. I couldn't hear the commentary when I watched it live but I watched it again last night and Joe and Goldie seemed to really favor Shogun. Machida was starting to tee off on Shogun and wasn't taking any shots and then he hit Machida once and Joe screamed, "SHOGUN LANDED A RIGHT HAND!!!" He was acting like the one punch counted for more than all of Machida's punches. It doesn't negate the fact that Machida hit him 5 or 6 times right before that. They were the same way when Rampage lost to Forrest thinking that Forrest was rocked everytime he got hit even though he was fine.

Those flurries you are talking about, Machida's shots weren't really landing, Shogun was connecting.

Striking- Shogun threw more, landed more, landed a higher percentage, and landed more power shots total and to the head (check fightmetric)...and shogun inflicted more damage

My exact thoughts.
grappling- very little grappling but shogun controlled the clinch

aggression- shogun threw more strikes and was constantly backing machida up

octagon control- shogun constantly backing up machida, pressing him against the cage during the clinch

Shogun basically won all elements of the fight. The only thing Machida did better at was landing a few more knees to the body.

Worst decision in MMA championship history

[KingOfPancrase]

the first judge gave round four to machida

Shogun was robbed, plain and simple. Those that cannot see that are in denial.

[KingOfPancrase]

fightmetric is BS and you know it. It also says that Machida was 6-16 with jabs. Machida doesn't throw jabs, he throws hard, straight punches. Plus, no points for takedown defense. People think that it was only a striking fight and forget that Shogun tried and failed to take him down. Does that not matter? It's best to break it down by round. because points are score by takedowns and takedowns defense, octagon control, striking, and grappling. In a straight kickboxing match Shogun would have won. Those were devistating knees to the body also. Look at Shogun post-fight when his team is celebrating if you don't believe me.

lol points for takedown defense? should you also get points for blocking punches? where do you come up with this?

hello.
hello.

you get points for a takedown, ie you get points for stuffing a takedown, this doesnt make sense to you?
New to me.
are you telling me gleison tibau, didnt get a million points for his million tds on neer? its the same in reverse... huh?

and because machida punches are unable to be seen by the naked drunk eye, doesnt mean they didnt happen... Shogun landed almost twice as many strikes. Plus, full octogon control for pretty much the full fight. Are they just scoring punches now?

And on your last point, SHOGUN LANDED MORE PUNCHES THAN MACHIDA AS WELL. It is not like he just landed way more body and leg kicks combined, he also outstruck machida with punches.