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[Lsquared]

i need to rewatch the fight.

i honestly thought the fight could be a draw, or a decision in either favor...

i will tell you the bar i was at, when they announced the decision, was booing, they thought shogun won.

now im not saying rua didnt win, i am saying it was a closer fight than what is being portrayed, by people who are in disbelief...

im actually not sure how i feel,

i know okami was pwning sonnen, and they gave him a ud [bad judges] this was a worse decision imo, sonnen was sloppy and getting tagged frequently, and okami stuffed all his tds.

[kingomegared]

i need to rewatch the fight.

i honestly thought the fight could be a draw, or a decision in either favor...

i will tell you the bar i was at, when they announced the decision, was booing, they thought shogun won.

now im not saying rua didnt win, i am saying it was a closer fight than what is being portrayed, by people who are in disbelief...

im actually not sure how i feel,

i know okami was pwning sonnen, and they gave him a ud [bad judges] this was a worse decision imo, sonnen was sloppy and getting tagged frequently, and okami stuffed all his tds.

okami lost that fight bro.....bad

[duvalfan]

Ive watched this fight numerous times and still see it in the exact same light, Machida won rounds 1,2 and 3 and lost 4 and 5.

I am a Muay Thai practitioner myself and absolutely love Shoguns display of Muay Thai and persona inside and outside of the octogan but I still see Machida winning the first 3 rounds.

agree 100%. the first 4 rounds could have been scored either way because they were that close. everyone who is saying that shogun was robbed please shut up! the fight was close. close fights and close rounds mean that opinions differ. i wouldnt argue if shogun was given the decision because it was that close.

[Ghostman]

i need to rewatch the fight.

i honestly thought the fight could be a draw, or a decision in either favor...

i will tell you the bar i was at, when they announced the decision, was booing, they thought shogun won.

now im not saying rua didnt win, i am saying it was a closer fight than what is being portrayed, by people who are in disbelief...

im actually not sure how i feel,

i know okami was pwning sonnen, and they gave him a ud [bad judges] this was a worse decision imo, sonnen was sloppy and getting tagged frequently, and okami stuffed all his tds.

okami lost that fight bro.....bad

you shouldnt have said that okami thing... i completely agreed with u until u lost all ur credibility with tht statement

[ryotostpierre]

First judge is definitely on crack. I really like Machida but other than the fifth which nobody in their right mind could give him the hardest one to give him other than that would be the fourth. This should have been a split decision and I feel bad for Shogun though I do believe int he whole you have to beat the champ to be the champ thing and what Dana and countless others have said, DON'T leave it up to the judges (cause they tend to screw you)

[KingOfPancrase]

i need to rewatch the fight.

i honestly thought the fight could be a draw, or a decision in either favor...

i will tell you the bar i was at, when they announced the decision, was booing, they thought shogun won.

now im not saying rua didnt win, i am saying it was a closer fight than what is being portrayed, by people who are in disbelief...

im actually not sure how i feel,

i know okami was pwning sonnen, and they gave him a ud [bad judges] this was a worse decision imo, sonnen was sloppy and getting tagged frequently, and okami stuffed all his tds.

okami lost that fight bro.....bad

you shouldnt have said that okami thing... i completely agreed with u until u lost all ur credibility with tht statement

FOR REAL! I wanted Okami to win but no amount of fan bias in the world should be able to blind somebody to the fact sonnen dominated. Very impressive performance from sonnen.....

[MuaySingh]

i need to rewatch the fight.

i honestly thought the fight could be a draw, or a decision in either favor...

i will tell you the bar i was at, when they announced the decision, was booing, they thought shogun won.

now im not saying rua didnt win, i am saying it was a closer fight than what is being portrayed, by people who are in disbelief...

im actually not sure how i feel,

i know okami was pwning sonnen, and they gave him a ud [bad judges] this was a worse decision imo, sonnen was sloppy and getting tagged frequently, and okami stuffed all his tds.

okami lost that fight bro.....bad

Real bad

[duvalfan]

i need to rewatch the fight.

i honestly thought the fight could be a draw, or a decision in either favor...

i will tell you the bar i was at, when they announced the decision, was booing, they thought shogun won.

now im not saying rua didnt win, i am saying it was a closer fight than what is being portrayed, by people who are in disbelief...

im actually not sure how i feel,

i know okami was pwning sonnen, and they gave him a ud [bad judges] this was a worse decision imo, sonnen was sloppy and getting tagged frequently, and okami stuffed all his tds.

okami was awful. owned. he should have came out with desperation in round 3 and just continued his timid fighting style

[Beast Master]

If Lsquared thought Okami won, then it shouldn't be a surprise that he doesn't think Shogun got jobbed

[KingOfPancrase]

If Lsquared thought Okami won, then it shouldn't be a surprise that he doesn't think Shogun got jobbed

true that bro. TRUE THAT.

[Ghostman]

I think nelson hamilton was the only judge that was wrong. Shogun won the fourth. I don't know how people can be so sure the Shogun was robbed. I felt that Machida won rounds 1-3 and shogun won the final two. He simply wasn't trying to finish the fight he was point fighting. I couldn't hear the commentary when I watched it live but I watched it again last night and Joe and Goldie seemed to really favor Shogun. Machida was starting to tee off on Shogun and wasn't taking any shots and then he hit Machida once and Joe screamed, "SHOGUN LANDED A RIGHT HAND!!!" He was acting like the one punch counted for more than all of Machida's punches. It doesn't negate the fact that Machida hit him 5 or 6 times right before that. They were the same way when Rampage lost to Forrest thinking that Forrest was rocked everytime he got hit even though he was fine.

Those flurries you are talking about, Machida's shots weren't really landing, Shogun was connecting.

Striking- Shogun threw more, landed more, landed a higher percentage, and landed more power shots total and to the head (check fightmetric)...and shogun inflicted more damage

My exact thoughts.
grappling- very little grappling but shogun controlled the clinch

aggression- shogun threw more strikes and was constantly backing machida up

octagon control- shogun constantly backing up machida, pressing him against the cage during the clinch

Shogun basically won all elements of the fight. The only thing Machida did better at was landing a few more knees to the body.

Worst decision in MMA championship history

I actually did my own counts HERE for this exact reason. Everybody is claiming Shogun's 2:1 striking ratio with Machida. The result of my counts were that in regular strikes they actually had exactly the same and that while Shogun punished Lyoto's legs there were not 50 leg kicks in that fight as fight metric implies. While doing my counts I found that they must have A) given him points for every attack that would either clip Machidas hands (aka a block) and also for the leg kicks where he would get his toes on Machida's shins and B) they counted the knees to the thighs under the leg strike category (rightfully so) when that sort of makes the numbers exaggerated because he had 20 of these knees (25% of his strikes or 50% of the difference between him and Lyoto) When I took those out they ended up having exactly the same amount of strikes landed (my criteria was it had to have at least a little effect on the other fighter). Those knees did do damage but I feel like those should be considered more of a gameplan point as they do damage but take a relatively low amount of skill to land multiples in succesion. If somebody did that all fight they could get like 400 of them in and they would do damage but should somebody win a round if the rest of the round is them losing (Rounds 1 - 3 he had less strikes 4 - 5 he had more excluding these knees). Anyways my count and analysis is up there feel free to take a look ive posted the numbers.

O and the reason I did this is because for the first time for me people are referring to fightmetric as their source for Shogun winning instead of talking about the fight. The only reason I can see for this is that the numbers are heavily favored for shogun (on fightmetric) when the fight was actually extremely close and it makes it seem like the tipping point for shogun winning. If you watched that fight and thought that Shogun outstruck Lyoto 2:1 you missed alot of Lyotos attacks and/or counted anything that clipped his hands or shins. (not discrediting the leg kicks because the ones that landed did alot of damage but alot of ones kindof skimmed and fightmetric counted them).

[Lsquared]

If Lsquared thought Okami won, then it shouldn't be a surprise that he doesn't think Shogun got jobbed

true that bro. TRUE THAT.

ouch, you guys are brutal.

let me go back and rewatch both fights, i was under the influence that night, and my memory may be tainted a bit...

i know for a fact sonnen was sloppy, hes always sloppy.

and i dont really like okami either, but his striking was crisp, and he is the better fighter imo [which obviously means nothing.]

and please read my other posts, i think the decision couldve gone either way...machida or rua.

i will rewatch, stone sober.

[Kyamamoto333]

People still think Shogun's leg kicks did nothing to Machida? Notice the ice on his thighs between rounds ... or the fact he looks scared as shit to engage Shogun ... or -- he is noticeably slower almost the entire fight ...

[Beast Master]

If Lsquared thought Okami won, then it shouldn't be a surprise that he doesn't think Shogun got jobbed

true that bro. TRUE THAT.

ouch, you guys are brutal.

let me go back and rewatch both fights, i was under the influence that night, and my memory may be tainted a bit...

i know for a fact sonnen was sloppy, hes always sloppy.

and i dont really like okami either, but his striking was crisp, and he is the better fighter imo [which obviously means nothing.]

and please read my other posts, i think the decision couldve gone either way...machida or rua.

i will rewatch, stone sober.

all in good fun my man

[Beast Master]

oh yea...and pass me some of whatever you were on sat night