Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

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Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

Postby hawdrigoh » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:14 pm

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/11/13/16639004/ufc-mma-shogun-rua-greatest-light-heavyweight-of-all-time-bes-baddest-tournament-goat

Shogun is the GOAT.

At least, that’s what you, the Bloody Elbow readers have determined, as Mauricio Rua defeated Chuck Liddell to take a win in the finals of the BE’s Baddest tournament. Shogun had no issues at all with Liddell, winning by a wide margin, 42-11.

Shogun’s run through the tournament was impressive indeed, as despite that low score, Chuck actually had the 2nd highest point total against Rua, and was one of only two men to get votes in the double digits. Shogun was simply dominant in all fights. Except one.

That one was the controversial Jon Jones semifinal. Jones seemed like a lock to win this, but during the tournament itself he failed a test (again), was stripped of his title (again), and finally, for a significant number of you readers, his legacy inside the cage was no longer enough to overcome his issues outside. Not every reader was happy about it, but, well, democracy.

For my personal part, I’m not sure how to evaluate Jones, and steered clear of voting on his match-ups. That said, I’ve got no problems with Shogun winning. The man was dominant in Pride, and when they folded, he was the organization’s top fighter in the division, and the #1 in the world. He then dealt with knee injuries and had his main weapons taken away when he moved to a completely new rule set. And it threw him for a loop, as his first two UFC performances indicated he would go the way of so, so many other Pride veterans who couldn’t adjust. But then that changed and this new version of Shogun took out Lyoto Machida and became the champion and the best in the world, again. Very, very few in MMA have been to the top, been knocked way down, and made it back again in these kinds of circumstances. Does that make him the Light Heavyweight GOAT? It makes him at least #2 - and whether he’s #1 is entirely dependent on your views on Jones.

But enough of that - this was a solid tournament, with some good discussions. It was also the 2nd of our Divisional GOAT tournaments, as Shogun joins GOAT Lightweight BJ Penn as a BE’s Baddest champion.


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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

Postby philphan » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:19 pm

Shogun brought an excitement that was missing from the LHW division. He had the added benefit from being Wany's boy which everyone thought was awesome. Then he came in and was finishing fights in highlight fashion. He was young and high flying, awesome. Then he faced some adversity in the UFC but came through with some great KOs and became UFC LHW Champion. When he won it felt like we won, when he lost we lost with him. He is a rare warrior that is easy to like.
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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

Postby hawdrigoh » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:32 pm

philphan wrote:Shogun brought an excitement that was missing from the LHW division. He had the added benefit from being Wany's boy which everyone thought was awesome. Then he came in and was finishing fights in highlight fashion. He was young and high flying, awesome. Then he faced some adversity in the UFC but came through with some great KOs and became UFC LHW Champion. When he won it felt like we won, when he lost we lost with him. He is a rare warrior that is easy to like.
Good post and great trip down memory lane. :star: :tup:


:tup: The tourney win is still one of the great moments in MMA. He's been through it all and is still trying to break through again. War Shogun :heart:
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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

Postby jblaze » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:05 am

Jones is the GOAT. Shogun used PEDs so you can't really discredit Jones. Definitely number two all time LHW.
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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

Postby willmma » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:19 am

Shogun the goat was never busted for PEDs.

Jon Jones got busted two... three?
wait... how many times was jones busted?
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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

Postby jblaze » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:56 am

willmma wrote:Shogun the goat was never busted for PEDs.

Jon Jones got busted two... three?
wait... how many times was jones busted?

Shogun wasn't tested in Japan and then suddenly developed bitch tits as testing started. Also came from the same gym as Wanderlei Silva one of the biggest PED cheats to ever fight. The evidence is circumstantial but it probably happened.
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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

Postby willmma » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:16 pm

jblaze wrote:
willmma wrote:Shogun the goat was never busted for PEDs.

Jon Jones got busted two... three?
wait... how many times was jones busted?

Shogun wasn't tested in Japan and then suddenly developed bitch tits as testing started. Also came from the same gym as Wanderlei Silva one of the biggest PED cheats to ever fight. The evidence is circumstantial but it probably happened.



So, my point stands. Never busted.
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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

Postby anton14 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:09 pm

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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

Postby willmma » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:28 pm

GSP > Anderson Silva (DD Bacon 8 )

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Re: Shogun Rua: Greatest LHW Ever

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