*Spoiler*Official CSAC scorecard(Pic)

[Zarcsby]

What's the worst is Machida was basically in tears during the decision with his head down staring at the canvas knowing he lost, yet when they called his name he took full credit and gave none to Shogun. I remember in Pride when Rampage beat Ninja rua, rampage told Rua he won and even offered him the trophy. Machida was to ignorant to do anything. I am no longer a Machida fan

You mean like accepting the rematch before he even left the cage?

Whats he supposed to do? I'm no longer champion guys! Here Shogun take the belt... You think Shogun would want that either?

Lyoto did excactly what he should do. He acknowledged that it was the judges decision, not his, and was sorry if people don't like it. Then agreed to a rematch.

You're totally ignoring the point.

Machida knows he got his ass beat before Buffer announces his name, then believes he won after they give him the belt. Yes, everything else he did was completely ok, but that's not the issue. Machida knows who won that fight and he isn't giving credit where credit is due.

Well you're assuming that Lyoto KNEW he got his ass beat. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Maybe he thought he won. A nervous face before the annoucement doesn't make your point a fact.

Again, what is lyoto supposed to do other than say that the fight was hard as hell and a rematch is fine by him? Would people only accept lyoto's behaviour if he put the belt around Shogun's waist and bowed to him? If i were Shogun i would feel stupid if Lyoto did that. Seriously though, what do u want the guy to do other than give a well deserved rematch immediately?

I just hate it that fair-weather fans are bailing on Lyoto because he didn't relinquish the belt on the spot. Or maybe its a good thing....... i dunno

[Nicksoap]

Now that is a philosophical thought. I totally agree.

My problem is no one is mentioning shogun's aggressiveness. Shogun was pushing the pace for most of the fight, backing machida up.

Shogun was doing way more damage...especially to machida's legs. Notice how often machida went from an orthodox stance to an unorthodox stance. He had to because his lead leg was getting destroyed. Shogun did more damage, controlled the octagon, and was more aggressive...I don't know about anyone else but just that alone gives the victory to shogun. Yes it was a close fight but the i don't believe the judges know the sport well enough to judge a fight like this.

You're overstating the amount of damage that SHogun did to Machidas legs. Machida switched stances mainly to throw off Shogun's attacks. After switching stances, Machida landed some good shots.

Everyone also loves to neglect the flying knees that Machida threw into shoguns midsection. Or the straight lefts Shogun ate nearly EVERY time he threw anything.

Machida's legs weren't that beat up. He walked just fine. Not like Rampage who visibily limped out of the cage and had obvious trouble with his footing during the fight.

Do you really believe this? That is a very ignorant assumption. Ask Machida how is legs felt that night, today, and probably for the next couple weeks. His legs weren't beat up? your delusional.

When he changed his stance shogun still attacked so i think your overstating machida's stance. Shogun attacked the inside lead leg so he really didn't throw off his attacks.

[BgTony]

Now that is a philosophical thought. I totally agree.

My problem is no one is mentioning shogun's aggressiveness. Shogun was pushing the pace for most of the fight, backing machida up.

Shogun was doing way more damage...especially to machida's legs. Notice how often machida went from an orthodox stance to an unorthodox stance. He had to because his lead leg was getting destroyed. Shogun did more damage, controlled the octagon, and was more aggressive...I don't know about anyone else but just that alone gives the victory to shogun. Yes it was a close fight but the i don't believe the judges know the sport well enough to judge a fight like this.

You're overstating the amount of damage that SHogun did to Machidas legs. Machida switched stances mainly to throw off Shogun's attacks. After switching stances, Machida landed some good shots.

Everyone also loves to neglect the flying knees that Machida threw into shoguns midsection. Or the straight lefts Shogun ate nearly EVERY time he threw anything.

Machida's legs weren't that beat up. He walked just fine. Not like Rampage who visibily limped out of the cage and had obvious trouble with his footing during the fight.

Do you really believe this? That is a very ignorant assumption. Ask Machida how is legs felt that night, today, and probably for the next couple weeks. His legs weren't beat up? your delusional.

When he changed his stance shogun still attacked so i think your overstating machida's stance. Shogun attacked the inside lead leg so he really didn't throw off his attacks.

Oh god I hate the word ignorant.

I didn't say they weren't damaged. I just don't think they were ravaged as badly as people say. He walked away fine. Unlike rampage after Forrest who limped down the octagon stairs and had a very obvious limp in the ring. He also had to hop off that leg a few times when Forrest connected. Did Machida do any of that?

[Beast Master]

it must have bothered him a little bit, excessive icing between rounds...

his corner telling him "dont let him touch your legs"

if they were ineffective his corner wouldnt be going out of their way to tell him to not get hit in the legs

[Nicksoap]

Now that is a philosophical thought. I totally agree.

My problem is no one is mentioning shogun's aggressiveness. Shogun was pushing the pace for most of the fight, backing machida up.

Shogun was doing way more damage...especially to machida's legs. Notice how often machida went from an orthodox stance to an unorthodox stance. He had to because his lead leg was getting destroyed. Shogun did more damage, controlled the octagon, and was more aggressive...I don't know about anyone else but just that alone gives the victory to shogun. Yes it was a close fight but the i don't believe the judges know the sport well enough to judge a fight like this.

You're overstating the amount of damage that SHogun did to Machidas legs. Machida switched stances mainly to throw off Shogun's attacks. After switching stances, Machida landed some good shots.

Everyone also loves to neglect the flying knees that Machida threw into shoguns midsection. Or the straight lefts Shogun ate nearly EVERY time he threw anything.

Machida's legs weren't that beat up. He walked just fine. Not like Rampage who visibily limped out of the cage and had obvious trouble with his footing during the fight.

Do you really believe this? That is a very ignorant assumption. Ask Machida how is legs felt that night, today, and probably for the next couple weeks. His legs weren't beat up? your delusional.

When he changed his stance shogun still attacked so i think your overstating machida's stance. Shogun attacked the inside lead leg so he really didn't throw off his attacks.

Oh god I hate the word ignorant.

I didn't say they weren't damaged. I just don't think they were ravaged as badly as people say. He walked away fine. Unlike rampage after Forrest who limped down the octagon stairs and had a very obvious limp in the ring. He also had to hop off that leg a few times when Forrest connected. Did Machida do any of that?

You keep saying the same thing. Rampage and machida are different fighters. Machida probably could have walked away from griffin's kicks and rampage might not have been able to walk away from shogun's kicks. You are comparing apples to oranges. All that means is that machida's inflammatory response phase didn't begin as quickly as rampage's did. From a physiological stand point your observation isn't valid. Just because he was able to walk out of the ring doesn't mean they weren't devastating. Machida's increased adrenaline probably allowed him to continue his performance (whether it was walking or fighting).