DreadLobster wrote:Yeah the news outlets need to get on the same page. I just read one posted 3 hours ago saying the rumors about him being brain dead are false, according to his family. Not sure. I guess we'll see.
Verne wrote:DreadLobster wrote:Yeah the news outlets need to get on the same page. I just read one posted 3 hours ago saying the rumors about him being brain dead are false, according to his family. Not sure. I guess we'll see.
I hope so.
SpeakEasy wrote:^what on earth do you mean gossipy bullshit? It's been confirmed by multiple sources?WestCoastKilla wrote:Its not the ref's fault that this fight was scheduled to not have the three knock down rule in place, you fucks. This isn't one of those things where blame needs to be assigned, people get brained from time to time in boxing this is nothing new where the fuck have you two been? Hague made the standing 8 count every time, the dude was just too tough for his own good.
Did you watch the fight?
Because either way this is asinine and/or ignorant of you to say.
I don't think anyone comes here looking to point fingers for blame but simply to ensure that we can work towards keeping this incidents to a minimum like we always have.
And just because these accidents may or may not happen more does not mean we should be diligent in trying to get the number of accident close to zero.
I fight, lots of us on here do and I go into ANY competition trusting my corner to do the refs job if the ref will not.
Yes Hague was FAR too tough for his own good and yes we can't hold a ref accountable for not upholding a rule that wasn't even in place for him to enforce but to just say oh well freak accidents happen*shrug* is horribly barbaric and regressive of where the sports are SUPPOSED to be evolving too.
I am not saying intervention would have prevented the level of Hagues injuries but you cannot claim the opposite either.
A referee is there to protect a fighter at all costs, three knockdown rule or not, we just saw one of the biggest boxing matches get stopped while the fighter was still standing and without a count.
Because the ref was protecting the fighter from anymore unnecessary damage, which this ref did not.
And then that brings us to the corner, who can also be looked at as a culprit for the unnecessary amount of damage Hague was on the end of, because they too have a duty to protect their fighter,
I think the worst thing, I see this in any of the gyms I go to, fighters have this horribly warped mentality that toughness begets skill.
I have sparred guys that seem intent on not just high level sparring but turning into a be or be killed session which only transfers over to the fights, if you never learn when to stop/recover or you never try to in practice than your corner and you will never truly know your limits because we all have them.
I have two children, just found out I've got a third coming, and anytime I spar it's very light, the fear of being unable to form a full sentence by the time I am 60 is overrode by my fighting spirit, I get horribly afraid any time I step onto a mat and my adrenaline overrides it because I'm a glory seeker.
So I tell my corner, if I look hurt you decide, dont leave it up to me or I'll keep going till I'm stopped.
I'm willing to risk everything, my family, my farm, multiple businesses, my long term health and potentially my life just for glory but I at least have the those thoughts holding me back, those thoughts fighting with my inner fighter and I still need my corner to watch out for me.
Now imagine Tim, maybe has one job outside of fighting, has tasted the big leagues, thinks he can get back to it, his kids are a little older so he's chasing glory for their honour as well but the difference is his corner wasn't there to watch over him.
No one is to be blamed for Tim being brain dead, no one is to blame for the effect of the fight but the affect is on the corner and the ref, there's no arguing.
A corner can throw in the towel, which should happen far more often kudos for tough guy Diaz for seeing that, and refs are allowed to stop a fight at any point, not due to the three knockdown rule but simply because it was evident to anyone watching that fight that Hague slowed drastically after the first knockdown and quickly got worse.
The standing 8 count being beat means absolutely nothing, most of us who box/kickbox and then try out MMA realize how much an 8 count really doesn't change things, because he was still concussed each time.
I think it's terrifying that guys like you think an 8 count and just standing up somehow negates the responsibility of the referee and corner, I'd never want you in any way affiliated with my fights.
If you think this way then I just assume you're more a just bleed guy and not a very big fan of the girls or flyweight divisions.